Welcome to the Trust Talk Sessions. Join a collective of former guests and I for a 19 day dive into Trust to celebrate 100 episodes of Trust your Sacred Feminine Flow. Each conversation offers an intimate glimpse into the challenges and extraordinary moments experienced in our journey to trust.
Lucy H. Pearce is the author of nine life-changing non-fiction books for women, including Nautilus Award winners Medicine Woman and Burning Woman, Her most recent book is Creatrix: she who makes. Her writing focuses on women’s healing through archetypal psychology, embodiment and creativity. She is currently working on her next book, She of the Sea.
She is the founder of Womancraft Publishing, which publishes paradigm-shifting books by women for women. Her work has been featured in dozens of online and print media and featured in Earth Pathways Diary, WeMoon and If Women Rose Rooted.
A much in demand teacher and speaker, she was Keynote at the Goddess Conference in Glastonbury in 2019. The mother of three children, she lives by the Celtic Sea in East Cork, Ireland.
http://www.womancraftpublishing.com/
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Joni
Welcome to the Trust Talk Sessions. I’m your host, Joni Advent Maher and I am honored to be here today with my guest. And you are a guest, Lucy Pearce. Lucy is the founder of Womancraft publishing and Womancraft publishes paradigm shifting books by women for women and she is the author of nine life-changing nonfiction books for women, including Nautilus Award winners, Medicine Woman and Burning Woman. Welcome to the Trust Talk Sessions, Lucy.
Lucy
Thank you. It’s wonderful to be here. And since I sent you my bio, my most recent one, Creatrix also won a Silver Nautilus, so there we go! Three and three in three and three years.
Joni
Well you, you are on fire for sure. So it’s, it’s so nice to be here. I want to just acknowledge that you were episode number 014, Burning Woman Coming to Power and that is such a powerful episode. So if you haven’t heard it, listeners, you’re going to want to go back and check it out. A lot has changed since then. That was probably, I don’t know, three and a half years ago at this point.
Lucy: Woah, I was a different woman then.
Joni
I think we all were. I think we all were. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we’re, we’re here to deep dive into this topic of trust and I would just love to hear what, what’s present for you on this, this very important issue these days.
Lucy
So it was really interesting when I heard that this was the topic we were going to be discussing, I kind of, I really took a deep dive into it because I feel like there’s a lot of stuff that I, on one level of my being, believe that I trust.
Joni: Mmm Mmm.
Lucy
Which on closer inspection isn’t necessarily true. And so, I guess I should give some examples of that. Things that if you were to ask me kind of flat out, what do you trust? I would say I trust creativity. I trust the power of transformation. I trust the sacred in all things. But dig down a little deeper and you will find that that trust is very variable, depending on the day you find me. So there is nothing, there is nothing that I can say that with every element of my being at every moment in my life I trust. There are things that I have dedicated myself to have devoted myself to. I’m living into trusting more and more and they would be the things that I just shared. They are the things that on every level of my being I believe to be true and worthy of trust, but me little human Lucy who gets very scared of a lot of things, loses that trust on a regular basis and has to relearn it again and again and again. So whilst I would love to say this is what I trust, what I would have to say is this is what I am learning. I’m relearning to trust.
Joni
I love that clarifying because I certainly think you are not alone in that, Lucy. I think that’s why we’re having these discussions in the first place. Yes. So it’s that practice.
So I would love to hear a little more about how you practice that learning to trust and meet that fear and if you’re willing to go into that.
Lucy
Well, the first step always is in realizing that I’ve forgotten to trust in realizing that somewhere I have let go of the thread and forgotten it and thought, yeah, on a very deep level that I was on my own in this and that forgetting clouds all other things. And so coming out of it, I mean, when I think about my life in the whole of my life, but my life in the last even five years, it’s extraordinary how much forgetting I live, I allow myself or I don’t know how the forgetting happens, but it happens and it happens again and again, and it’s, it’s, I know how to get out of it, but it’s remembering that I’m there, you know? I guess I also get through movement. I get out of it through writing, I get out of it through creating, I get out of it through, through being out in the natural world, I get out of it through holding and being held by somebody I love. I get out of it by admitting that I’m there, but knowing I’m there in the first place is the point because it happens below my radar and so the lack of trust becomes my everything and it becomes the only thing. It becomes my reality. And at that moment of, a moment makes it sound short. It’s not a moment. It’s horrible being in that place. I know it is being there. It’s kind of the equivalent, and I can speak from authority on this. As somebody who has really experienced depression in, in all its horrors, it is the same as depression in that, you cannot see that there was ever a light, that there was ever joy that you ever felt a feeling of connection to things. It is. It is as though a switch has happened that makes you completely blind to the other, the other States of being. it is as though the two cannot in any way inhabit your being at the same time.
Joni: Yes. I call that being on the dark side of the moon.
Lucy: Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
Joni: It’s when you are out of communication with anything meaningful.
Lucy
And so at that point of being out of trust, everything that previously was true as things that I trusted become invisible but also like fictions to the imagination. And so why would you put your trust in something that no longer seems like something you can trust. It no longer seems real. Yes. And so for me that is the dance. That is the dance that I dance again, again and again is from feeling alone and feeling scared and feeling out of trust, to feeling in flow, in flow consciousness, in connection, in deep trust and in all of the magic of the world around me and the world inside me. And I know the doorways that take me from one to the other. I know them, they are my practices but, still right. But still we find ourselves there.
Yeah. And so when I get asked a question like yours, my big mind says, Oh yes, I know what I trust. And my little human self suddenly goes, Oh, Oh, but do I really know? I don’t know. They don’t exist. And so I go to this kind of this strange spiraling thing of Oh, I’m being asked for my wisdom on this. But suddenly the wisdom seems to have no, no ground. I mean that’s the thing about the things we trust. Most of them are intangible. Yes,
Joni
Yes. When we get down to it they are and, and this really was an invitation to share your wisdom and your experience because we are, we are all walking this same journey and we are all engaged in the same dance. And I think those of us that are conscious of it, yeah. Are here to be of service or hold space for those of us that are not, I think that’s the only difference.
Lucy
I agree with you. I totally agree. But my small human self says I need to be an expert. I need to have all this down. I need to know it. I need to do it all the time. I need to be perfect. Right?
Joni: Yes. I know that one. I know that human voice.
Lucy
Yeah! Um, and you know what, what, what I yearn for is to be in constant and full connection with that which I trust to live in total blissful harmony forever and ever. Amen with that. Yes. And so when I don’t and when I can’t, it feels like failure. But what I realized more and more is that it’s not failure. Because if I know the other, if I know in which I can trust, then that is an incredible blessing, success, whatever you want to call it. Because I’ve known it even if I’ve only known it once in my life.
But the fact that I can get there again and again is, is surely what it is, what it’s about. Because I’m always going to be human while I’m human. So I’m always going to have the forgetting. You know, if you want to go into a traditional religious view, you know, you can’t enter heaven until you enter heaven and get rid of your body. You know, when you’re human, you’re human. And so it’s, the buddha would kind of have a similar take on it. You know that even when you’re enlightened, you still chop wood and you can carry water. Not many of us can, can hold the two all the time. And so we have the swing between the one and the other. But learning to trust more and more and more.
Joni
Yes, yes. And I don’t know about you, but for me I have found those stretches of time lasts longer and it is relatively easier and quicker to get back into that state of trust.
Lucy
Absolutely. Yeah. But it’s almost like an orgasm that when you focus too hard on it, it kind of disappears into thin air. It’s tough to witness it and be aware of it. But you can’t go, Oh look, this is happening. Because then it’s not.
Joni: Yeah, that is very well said. Ah, well thank you. Thank you for that.
Joni
So I want to shift gears for a moment because I know you have offered a beautiful gift to one of our lucky listeners that we will be giving away today on the day that this airs. And so I would love for you to share what that is and tell us all about it.
Lucy
So it’s a copy of my book Burning Woman, which for me was a game changer. It was a life shifter in terms of confronting what scared me and giving voice to it and confronting, embracing the power, which I am the passion that I wanted in my life but was too scared to step into. And it’s been my biggest selling book of all of them. And tens of thousands of women have read this and it is something which every day I receive messages from women telling me what a life changer shifter it has been for them. It was something in some sort of a transmission that came through me onto the page. It is a powerful book.It is a book that women tell me that within the first couple of pages they are laughing out loud. They are crying, they are sobbing, they are feeling so angry. They have chucked it across the room. They have up. So they didn’t have to read it. I mean like a little book.
Joni
It is, it is like Truth. Yeah, it is truth and it is a life changing book and I have read it and it did change my life as well. And, and that’s what brought you on this show in the first place was you had just finished that book and putting it out into the world.
So yeah, it is, it’s my, it’s my gift, a baptism of fire to one very lucky person who gets it or to anyone else who would like to order it. Absolutely. And it’s just come out in audiobook, which was another massive fear of mine was giving my physical voice to my words.
Joni: Wow.
Lucy
And that was a process of three and a half years between the book coming out and being able to record the audio book and I guess the feedback has been that from women who have it in all three. Well that’s it for me. There is again, some transmission that comes through the audio book through it being in my voice that is extremely powerful.
Joni: Mm. So if someone wanted to order that, what, what would you recommend?
Lucy
Oh, it’s, it’s anywhere you get your audio books from. It’s on Amazon, it’s on, Ibooks. It’s wherever you get your audio books.
Joni
Perfect.
Lucy: And same with the paperback or all the copies you can get all the major online booksellers.
Joni
Yes. And want to give a shout out to Womancraft because you do amazing work in terms of the works you’re putting out into the world.
Lucy
Thank you. It is, it is something that I’m very, very proud of. The community of creative women and voices and the community of readers who are drawn to it. It’s a powerful collective for change in this world.
Joni
It is. And you were at the helm of that, so I’m bowing to you for that. Yes. So if people want to follow you or keep up with what you’re doing, what are the best ways for them to do that?
Lucy
I’m very visible online and on Facebook, Lucy H Pearce, and on Instagram, Lucy H Pearce and Womancraft Publishing, again is very big on Facebook and Instagram. And we’ve got our own, our own websites, lucyhpearce.com and Womancraftpublishing.com.
Joni
Wonderful. And just so you know, listener, if you want to enter to win this beautiful gift, Burning Woman, you can go to our Facebook group, which is The Trust Talk Sessions group and all the details will be there. You can enter and hopefully a win. So we’re going to bring this to a close. I want to thank you, Lucy, for your honesty, your transparency, your vulnerability, your wisdom, all of it.
Lucy: Thank you!
Joni
You’re very welcome. And I want to thank you, dear listener, for being with us as well. And to remind you as always, to trust what your heart knows.