Welcome to Trust Your Sacred Feminine Flow.
Each month on the podcast, I share intimate conversations with (r)evolutionary women about their journey to embody their sovereignty and change the world. Consider this your permission slip to do the same.
Today I’m delighted to share a conversation with Keira Poulsen and Mona Rose Moore, the creators of the Navigating Truth Podcast. As seekers of light and truth, Keira and Mona have both walked the path of breaking familial and religious belief systems on their journey of seeking truth. This path has been full of pain, grief and at times deeply isolating. And yet, it has been one of awakening and powerful spiritual conversion.
Mona began her journey of Navigating Truth while living in Singapore as a teacher of Islam. While at the same time, across the world in Arizona, Keira was finding her own path as her experience as a Mormon began to crumble. 7 years later, Mona and Keira met in Sedona in the most Divine meeting. It was in their connection of what it felt like to have their belief systems break and the beauty of finding God on their own that brought forward this desire to create a safe place for others as they too navigate their path of truth. Both Keira and Mona have a deep love for God, the Divine and all things spiritual. Their hope is that when people feel their belief systems shatter, they don’t walk away from God, instead find themselves in God, in their own way.“
While their journeys are one of spiritual sovereignty, their stories reflect what happens when any foundational belief crumbles and falls away.
Discussed on this episode:
~What’s on the other side when our foundational beliefs falls away
~Risking everything to live your truth
~The shift from a religious to spiritual life as a Muslim and as a Mormon
~Spiritual conversion
Connect with Keira and Mona on IG: instagram.com/navigatingtruthpodcast/
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Joni:
Welcome to Trust your Sacred Feminine. Today I have a very special episode for you. I’m welcoming Keira Poulsen and Mona Rose Moore, the hosts of the brand new Navigating Truth podcast. Welcome.
Mona Rose:
Thank you. It’s such an honor to be here.
Keira:
Super grateful.
Joni:
Yes. I’m so delighted to have you. So I’m just going to share a few words about the gift of Keira and Mona Rose and what they bring. So both Keira and Mona Rose are seekers of light and truth and they have walked the path of breaking familial and religious belief systems on their journey of seeking truth.
This path has been full of pain, grief, and at times, deeply isolating. And yet it has been one of awakening and powerful spiritual conversion. Mona began her journey of navigating truth while living in Singapore as a teacher of Islam. And while at the same time across the world in Arizona, Keira was finding her own path as her experiences as a Mormon began to crumble. Seven years later, Mona and Keira met in Sedona, Arizona in the most divine of meetings. It was in their connection of what it felt like to have their belief systems break and the beauty of finding God on their own that brought forward this desire to create a safe place for others as they, to navigate their path of truth. Both Keira and Mona have a deep love for God, the Divine and all things spiritual. Their hope is that when people find and feel their belief systems shattering, they don’t walk away from God. Instead they find themselves in God in their own way.
Oh, that is so powerful and potent.
And the piece that that really touches me is, um, you know, is that final statement is that feeling the belief system shattering that we don’t throw away the sacred or God, but instead find it in ourselves. And that is, that is huge. And it is the invitation. So that’s what I wanted to share with you, my dear listeners, the power and the potency of this.
So Keira and Mona Rose, I just want to open it up to the two of you and to perhaps you want to tell us a little bit more about how Navigating Truth the podcast came into being.
Keira:
Well, I just have to say, listening to those words that we wrote, has brought me to tears like the reality of this path that we are starting to walk and how deeply grateful I am to be able to be a part of this with Mona. Like so much gratitude.
Mona Rose :
Yeah. The feeling is definitely mutual Keira. I felt moved too. And Joni, you have the most amazing way of reading the bio, the introduction. It’s just so beautiful to be able to hear it being read like that. And, I feel honored. I feel grateful. I feel blessed. This is such a gift. And as far as, your question was how we got to this place of creating a podcast together, is that your question?
Joni:
Yes. Or if there’s something else that needs to be said before that then than certainly, but it’s, it seems to me that the podcast is, is an invitation. You know, it’s an invitation to others to the liberation that the two of you are, are living or, or moving towards or creating.
That’s my sense.
Keira:
Well, I would say for me, this has been a big part of my life that I’ve just kept hidden. This has been a really long journey for me and one that I have just, there’s been so much shame and feeling like my belief systems that I just deeply, deeply loved my religion, that I so deeply loved. Having that break was so ashaming for me that I just really held this in tight. I had no intention of ever sharing my experience. Like this was never on my vision board. This was never on my to do list, right? But the way that me and Mona met. The moment in which the Divine held that space for our meeting, it was literally one of the most spiritual Divine moments that have happened in my life.
And I couldn’t deny that there was a call to move in to. That there was a space that we were to go and spread this work, whatever this work is. Right? Like whatever. This is, How do you feel Mona?
Mona Rose :
Yeah, similar. You know, For me it’s just like Kiera. It wasn’t an intention. It wasn’t even a plan or a goal to share and to come out like this. But in 2016 was it that I wrote the blog post and I came out. That was due to the feeling of not wanting to keep it inside any longer, just because I, myself personally felt trapped. Like, I felt like I couldn’t be myself because for me, growing up as a Muslim woman, I have had to show myself physically as a Muslim woman. To stop being that it meant I have to physically, you know, physically I’m different, like I’m not covering my hair up anymore.
And the fear of I was in Singapore at that time, I was a teacher of Islam. And so the fear of bumping into people when they see me, the fear of people finding out it, it just, it eats me up inside. It ate me up inside. Right. So for me, at that point, I had to keep it a secret for five years until I eventually felt like, I just can’t do this anymore. I have to be who I am, you know? And for me, that time I felt the right thing to do was to just publish a blog post and tell all of my hundreds of students about it. And I did. Right. And, I thought it would end there. Like I will come out and then that’s it. Yeah. And if people want to join me in this journey of finding God, finding the Divine, of creating your personal path to the divine, then come with me.
Mona Rose:
If not, then it’s fine. Right? So a lot of things happened, right? All the, criticism, all the threats all the negative waves that happened, it, led me to shrink. It led me to hide myself. And I picked a path that felt safer for me. Right. So not to share the story anymore. I’m done. I came out, so it’s fine. So I’m just going to move on with life. Until I met Keira. Until I met Keira. So there were a few things in between. So between when I came out and before I met Keira, you know, I was with WomanSpeak. I shared my story on stage and again, I thought, okay, that was it. Okay. So I’ve shared my piece, I’ve shared my story and that’s it. Then I met Keira.
Keira: Then all the paths changed.
Mona:
Yeah, and then all the paths changed. And it’s so, and it feels so right. You know, it feels like, Oh, maybe this is what I’ve been waiting for, for this woman to appear in my life and to do this together with her. Wow. Cause it’s stronger together.
Joni:
Yes. And I would imagine that even coming from different faith backgrounds somehow strengthens it even more.
Keira:
It’s, so powerful because my background growing up Mormon and her background growing up Muslim are almost identical. And so we find ourselves in each other’s paths and, that has been one of the deepest healing aspects. Oh my gosh, what if we’re just all the same, you know?
Joni :
Well I was so struck both in, in reading the bio and in listening to the two of you that, and this is what has been true for me and maybe for you as well, that our orientation or relationship with the Divine is so like intimately tied with our sense of self or with our beingness of who we are. And to have that breakdown or shatter, as you said, is, so foundationally shaking. Has that been true?
Keira :
Yes. Yes. Very much. For me, when, when I felt the holes start to show up in my belief system and my religion, it was like all of a sudden it was like this really, really sturdy wall and like this very sturdy ground that no matter what was going on in my life, I knew that ground would hold me. I knew that wall was there, keep me safe, and then all of a sudden it was like bricks just started falling out of the wall and of the floor and it was like, Oh no, Oh no, this was the thing that was going to solve all of my problems. This was a thing that I could always turn to. And that was like the deepest, most frightening experience I’ve had because it was like, Oh no, I’ve lost, I’ve lost my thing that’s holding me. Like I’ve lost the support system and that’s like God broke for me at the same time. So that allowed me to then go, well then I’ve got to go find God. Like I have to find who God is for me inside of me.
Mona Rose :
Wow. I just got chills. It’s very, it’s very similar for me to, For me, what I remember vividly is tears, you know, me crying every single night because of the fear, because of the potential loss of purpose, because God was my purpose. Like everything I did back then was for God. Right? Like everything, literally every single thing I did was for God. It’s for the here after. It’s For that. Right. And so when that’s, I could feel like it’s going to go away. I couldn’t stop crying. I couldn’t stop reading thinking about then what, Then what, then what? Right. And then when I was crying, I also remember asking God, what is going on? Like, why are you putting me on this?
Joni: Seriously.
Mona Rose:
Yeah, seriously. And then the fear, like I had so much fear, so much fear. I remember praying, praying, praying, asking like, how do I overcome, how do I overcome, help me overcome this fear, you know, and this is a real thing. And yeah, you know, the guilt, the shame, the pain, the isolation that I’ve felt, it’s all, it was all real. And it, I think it’s real for every single person who has gone through this journey.
Joni:
Yes. Yes. And what, what would you say is different now? Maybe everything’s different now. I don’t know, but I would say more not external in your life, but more from that internal state of relating to the Divine or the Sacred?
Mona Rose :
Mmm, okay. I’ll go first. For me it feels much more expansive now. Expansive, you know, there’s a sense of freedom. There’s a sense of liberation. There’s a sense of knowing exactly what I need to do to get close to God, knowing exactly what needs to be said, what needs to be done to get that connection, to be in that connection. And it’s always a joy. You know, before, before there was a mix of joy, peace, bliss and fear, guilt, shame. Before right now it’s mainly the first part. It’s mainly no more fear, no more shame, normal guilt in, in wanting to connect to and to connect to God. There’s no fear or guilt. When I missed a certain prayer, it’s a big difference.
Joni:
So the shoulds or the, it was a, it sounds like the prescribed way of expectation of how you would get close to God was dictated by something or someone outside of you.
Mona Rose:
Correct. And it’s been like, it’s an, it’s, it’s, it was so deeply embedded in my being in my system, that I could feel the difference. Now. Like for example, today you can ask me to pray five times a day as a Muslim and I can do that. I would love to do that. I can do that. In fact, sometimes I still do, but at the same time, there is no, the, the, the system that was embedded in me, that fear, that shame, that guilt is no longer there. Like, I’m free to want to do that or not, you know? And I choose different ways of connecting with God. I dance, I write, I meditate, I reflect, I gaze at the stars, I gaze at the moon, all different kinds of ways. And it’s just very different. It’s very different from how it used to be.
Keira:
Hmm. Well that’s so beautiful, Mona. I feel very similar. And, in the word the freedom – the freedom of how I worship. So I was always very devout in my scripture reading and in my prayer, like my prayers was very, very devout in doing all of the checklist. Like this is what I have to do to be good and this is what I have to do for God to see me or to be worthy. I don’t really know what was really there, but it was like in me from a very, very, very young age. And now it’s like this fluidness like my, like my sacred time in the morning. It’s like, God, what do I do this morning? Like what do I do in this sacred Holy place? What is the, what are the things that I need to be doing today to like wake up my soul to hear you to be a vessel? And all of a sudden it’s like life just became so many more dimensions. And I have this partnership with the Divine, like where I’m led, I’m guided, I’m directed. And it’s because I get to show up with no walls between me and the Divine.
Mona:
There are no boundaries anymore. Right. There are no boundaries to the ways you can connect to God and the divine. It’s so beautiful.
Keira: Yeah.
Joni:
The words were coming in for me like a, it sounds like a living prayer. Like your life has become a living prayer as opposed to some prescribed prayer.
Keira:
Yeah. So yeah, I feel that. that’s like the perfect, those are the perfect words for me. That’s what it feels like. It’s like all the day, all the time, God is speaking through signs, through, through, through ways, through messages. It’s like, Oh, this is now a full blown experience. Instead of you can go to this place to receive now it’s like you can just always receive.
Joni:
Yeah. So that direct, I would use the word communion, like having a direct communion with your Source. And I’m inclined to ask, so both of you are women and how I’m a woman, we’re talking to women, but I guess I just wonder how you see that factoring in to this process for you. For the, the shattering of the beliefs, the liberation, your previous experience as being women of faith and now being spiritual women.
Keira:
I guess I’ll, I’ll speak to ’em. You know, I’m, I’m not really like a, I don’t fight in the church. I don’t actually have a lot of anger. There’s a lot of people are like, Oh, the women should have the priesthood. I just like never really bothered me, you know, like it wasn’t a real thing for me. But where I do feel a shift is I have five children and in my faith, it’s like the husband is like the spiritual leader, but I always felt like a spiritual leader and I kind of shied back a little bit, but now it’s like, no, I can feel that I am a massive spiritual leader in my home and my husband has so been with me on that, right? Like that’s not been anything massively different except that inside I’ve allowed myself like, ah, I am a huge leader in this. And, and I want to just like say like, I don’t feel like a lot of the things I have that I’ve struggled with are actual truth and doctrines at the church puts out. I think it was just my own glasses of how I viewed it. Right. Like they teach you like you’re both leaders. You’re both spiritual leaders. But I didn’t feel that until I let myself and have the space. Right.
Mona Rose:
Oh yeah. I think it’s so similar too, for me, for myself, it’s, I was a spiritual teacher and I was leading Muslim women. I was leading prayers. I was leading rituals. I was leading it all. And I truly believed that as a woman, a Muslim woman, at that time I wasn’t being oppressed. I wasn’t being, I wasn’t a second class citizen. You know, I believe that I was leading the movement. That’s my personal experience. There are a lot of other different experiences other Muslim women experience in their lifetime. Right. But for me, I did not feel that way. What happened for me?
Wow. I felt, I felt as the transformation happened, I felt more in touch with my femininity.
Joni: Hmm. Interesting.
Mona:
I felt more in touch with my body. I felt more in touch with my soul, with my heart, with my sensuality. I had not felt that at all when I was a spiritual leader, spiritual teacher of Islam. Right. I did not feel that femininity. I was of course. There’s the feminine aspects of myself that I know is feminine, but when the transformation happened, it’s a, it’s a long process, right? It’s a long process. And so for me, the, it was a very, that’s a very good question, Joni, that you asked because I never really thought about it. You know, I never really …
Yeah, it’s a really, really good question that I think I will be journaling about it more extensively after this. But what came out right now, what is coming up right now is that like, I felt more in touch with my femininity, more in touch with the Divine Feminine. The idea of a Divine Feminine never existed in my life, as it has now.
Keira:
And I would say that’s the same for me. I grew up believing that there was a Heavenly Mother, but, but there was this belief system that comes from, I don’t know, generations, that say, you know, she’s too Holy, so we don’t talk about her, learn about her. But then I was blessed to have a vision of Her two and a half years ago that changed the cells in my body to like, know that there was a divine mother who knew me, saw me, loved me, and could hold me. And that, I mean like, Oh my gosh, that rocked my world. It was like, the piece that had been missing my whole life was to know that there was this divine mother who I could talk to and have access to.
Joni: Wow.
Yeah. That’ll change your view on things. That’ll shake things up a bit. Yeah. Wow. Oh, so, Hmm. So, so tell me and tell us about the podcast. What, what can listeners expect or what, what will you be sharing in these episodes?
Mona:
I was laughing because I immediately thought like, we don’t even know what to expect. in a way, in a way, we are really surrendering it to unfold organically. But what we do know is it is a, it is there as hope. It is there is a place where women or men can feel that they’re not alone. It’s a place where both Kiera and I can have fun and share our experiences and share with listeners whatever comes up, you know, we are surrendering to the path organically. Maybe Keira you have something else add there.
Keira:
Well I think that there’s something really magical about our podcasts.
So before we started this podcast, you know, we had met once in Sedona. It was like deep soul work that called us forward. We’d talked on the phone maybe two, maybe three times in six months. So we actually didn’t know each other. But we knew that this podcast needed to be born. And so, here we were pretty much strangers. I’m in Arizona, she’s in DC meeting over our mics. And we pray before we record. And so I pray in my spiritual way that I’ve been raised in and she prays in her beautiful way. And it’s like there is a gathering that occurs when we connect. And there’s this powerful healing process that happens as she tells her story and I tell my story and as we then see whatever else God wants us to do. Like every week we come to the altar with our, our hands up and ask God, what, what must be done today kind of experience.
Joni: Mmm, So it sounds like the podcast is another form of the living prayer.
Mona: Mmm, Ah, It’s so beautiful.
Keira: Yeah, it is.
Joni:
And I know that the podcast is available on Apple and Stitcher and Spotify. Yes.And we’re recording this before it actually goes live, but by the time this episode is live, so will your podcast.
Keira: Yeah, it’ll be everywhere.
Mona: Yes. Wow.
Joni: It’s still gestating a little bit. Hasn’t fully been born yet.
Keira: We’re like on the ninth month, with weeks two weeks to go.
Joni: This is like your baby shower.
Keira:
We’re like, cause I’ve birthed so many actual babies. It’s always like that very end where you’re like, Oh my gosh, I just want it to be born because the body can’t hold it anymore. But then like Oh my gosh, I’m so scared. And so it’s like the exact same energy right now. Like I’m like, Oh my gosh, let’s just publish this and then like let’s run really fast.
But I’m also like so excited to see what’s going to happen, you know?
Mona: Yeah. Same, same.
Joni:
I know that you also will be on Instagram, so if people wanted to kind of connect with you, find a way to actually connect with you that they could follow you on Instagram. We’ll have the link in the show notes but isn’t it? Can you remind me what it is?
Keira:
Our Instagram handle is called @navigatingtruthpodcast. We will be in there. We’ll be sharing whatever we feel inspired to share. And we’re not sure if this is going to be like guests are going to be on our show. We don’t really know how it’s going to be. But already I’ve had some amazing, I have a new friend who’s a Jewish rabbi who has walked this path and so she’s going to be on our show. And there’s just something really beautiful about a Muslim and a Mormon and a Jew gathering in the conversation of waking up spiritually. So, it’s going to be really flavorful.
Mona:
Yeah. And I may have someone from a Hindu background and she is also willing to come onto our podcast.
Joni:
Wow. Well, I do have to say, this may not be true for you, but as, as someone who grew up Catholic, and there was a lot of disparaging, energy towards the feminine that I felt as, as a girl and as a woman, to me it feels like such a hopeful thing that you two, or the, the, the women of faith are coming together and perhaps bringing healing or opening things in a way that at least till this point that the men of faith have not been able to accomplish.
Keira:
So that’s beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, there is definitely something really powerful, the undercurrent of this, the, the experience of women coming and, and really sharing like the grief that I think, I think so much is shared of anger, like people talking about their anger and their rage and, both Mona and I have like massive love from where we’ve came from.
And so it’s more of the grief, the pain. And then also for me, I speak for me that the deep spiritual conversion that has happened for me since.
Joni:
And tell me, tell us what you mean when you say that. I believe I know, but say more about it.
Keira:
So, for a very long time I kept telling myself all these doubts that I’m having are going to turn into the greatest conversion story ever, back to the church. Like I held that as the highest, like this is gonna be my story. Like the years just kept going on and on. And I was like, I don’t feel like that’s going to be my story. This is horrible. But the truth is, it was a deep, deep conversion, but the conversion wasn’t to a religion. The conversion was to God. The conversion was to the Divine Mother. Like this awakening to like that’s the conversion that happened for me.
Joni: Yes. Wow Wow.
Mona: Wow, So beautiful.
Joni:
So I know that perhaps not everyone of my listeners has been on the path that the two of you have been on. However, I think that we all can relate to, you know, what you were describing. In particular you, Keira, where you were talking about those foundations, the walls and the ground that you felt like were a rock solid and supporting you. And that any of us that’s been on either an awakening journey or a journey of disillusionment has had those times where the old falls away and we’re left in that vulnerable, tender place of not knowing. And then the new emerges and comes and holds us and carries us. So whether it’s related to faith and religion or, or other facets for, for other women, it may be something entirely different. It may be about identity as, as I don’t know what, but I, I’m sure there are other versions of this and yeah. So I just want to kind of open, kind of open the arms to that as well.
Keira:
Yeah. I, I believe that even if this isn’t someone’s story of like a religion, we all have family belief systems that we really get into, and then when they fall apart we’re like, Oh no, wait, if that’s not true, then what is true? And that’s the rabbit hole and the spinning and the breaking that, that we’re really, we’re talking about, right? Like it doesn’t have to be anything with religion. It just has to be like, what happens when your belief systems break? Where do you go and how do you find that voice inside of you that connects up to the higher power that leads you, guides you, directs you, and, and ultimately just holds you in love.
Joni:
And it’s, to me, it sounds like that’s what Navigating Truth is about. Like the podcast is about that. It’s about that journey, uh, through that process perhaps.
Mona Rose & Keira: Yes, Yeah.
Joni:
So I have a question. I often ask my guests, and it might be a little bit different this time, but I often ask if you could go back and connect with your younger self, the younger version, no matter what age, what you might say to her or what wisdom from where you stand today you might offer her. So I just wonder for each of you what that would be?
Mona Rose:
Mmm, Such great questions, Joni. For me, I would say trust your heart. Trust your soul because she knows.
Joni: Yes.
Keira:
I feel like that’s really similar to what’s pulling at me. But there’s also these words, you are safe, you are held, you are seen and heard. It’s just not from what’s here on earth.
Mona Rose: Yeah. Yeah.
Joni:
So as you say that I can feel just the vibrations in my, you know, in my body that feels like that sense of connection to something greater. And, my guess is, is that each woman that’s listening will have her own experience of that. Or at the possibility or the invitation to have an experience of that. And I, I also think about, again, going back to your statement, Keira, about the walls and the ground, that there’s something about the breaking down of the walls that somehow it’s, it’s, it is unifying, it’s both expanding, but it also seems like it’s unifying as our common humanity.
Keira:
Yeah. I, I feel, that’s a big piece of this is bringing together all of these different faiths and all these different, belief systems and uniting us in the humanity of what we experience. And also just the ever fluent universal language of the Divine we all have access to.
Mona Rose:
Mmm Hmm, That’s definitely one of my greatest desires too, to see that happen, you know, to unite, and to end this division. This discrimination just based on a label. And unite. This is such a great desire of mine.
Joni:
Mm Hmm. So along those lines, I’m inclined to ask, just have you, I know Mona Rose, you mentioned the issue of getting a backlash for staying, saying your truth, speaking your truth. How have things shifted in terms of community or family or how others are holding you as, as you have walked through this journey for yourselves?
Mona Rose:
Wow. It has been hard. It has been a constant inner work for me. But I am happy and grateful and glad to say that today is very different. Who I am today is very different. In a sense, that I now am clear of what’s mine to hold and what’s not mine to hold. Previously during the first six months after I published the blog post, at first I was so curious. I was so interested to see how this is going to go. How this was going to flow. And then after that it became something like, Whoa, this is very painful to see. People that I thought were sisters, people that I thought were, family, people that I thought were really close to me, saying things that I would never imagine them to say. So that brought me down. Really, really, really low. And it’s like a roller coaster ride. And to see strangers promoting my blog post. To see strangers say good things about what I have say. It was like me in the middle and allowing everything to pull me into that direction. That was, that was hard. Today I am feeling so clear about what I choose to hold and what I know is not mine to hold.
So in terms of friends and relationships that I have had in the past, it’s, there’s none. There are a couple. There are a few that I am still in touch with. That we talk and we connect. But the, the loudest voices – they’ve stayed. They’re still the loudest and the difference is in me. In me knowing deeply that I’m not available for that. And it’s okay. It’s, it’s definitely OK. and I honestly, I enjoy witnessing myself, going through this experience. I enjoy witnessing the process. I enjoy the inner work. Before I did not know. It’s like, okay, more inner work needs to be done. More inner work needs to be done. I enjoy growth. I love transformation and this is where I am today. But this is like after years, years of inner work.
Joni: Right. So there was a lot to let go off or there was some letting go for you.
Mona: yeah, yeah.
Joni: And it sounds like it was very much worth it.
Mona Rose:
Yes. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Sometimes I actually cringe when I think about the times where I would be, you know, how in a community, in a society, we’re basically in a bubble and we, we can’t really see objectively what’s going on outside. Now that I’m outside, I start to cringe when I see the things, the words that we use, you know, it’s very, very different. So yeah, it is worth it.
Keira:
Mm. Mm.I haven’t, this podcast is my coming out. So I’m a little scared to be quite honest. But also, the one thing that I am very certain of in my life is that what my soul pulls me forward when the paths line up and the door is open and God literally like places all the pieces together that fear is it’s just really, it’s just not important. Like there’s just bigger and higher things to be focusing on. So whenever the fear shows up, I just kinda have to remind myself like, okay, what is there to fear if, if this is the path that I am to walk?
Joni:
And I’m sure it is helpful to know you’re not doing this completely alone, that you have a very strong faith, but you also have at least one, if not a few people in your corner that are saying yes.
Keira:
Yeah, I am. I am super blessed. My husband has been a fantastic support to me. My parents, didn’t even bat an eye. They just a very, very open and loving and my siblings are very generous and loving with me. So I have my core root, my family, and of course my five kids who just, they’re a deep support for me.
Joni:
Incredible. Well it is, it is my prayer that your truth be received with love and there may be those that, that don’t understand or that can’t understand what’s true for you, but that, that you continue to be surrounded with love as you stand in what’s true for you.
Keira: Thank you.
Joni:
Yes. And I so appreciate your courage and your willingness to come here and do this here. Like that is such a gift and an honor.
Keira:
Thank you. Thank you for having us. It is such a gift. Anytime me and Mona get together and, and, and speak and share, it’s, it’s always just one of my favorite things.
Mona Rose: Yes, thank you so much Joni.
Joni:
My pleasure. So I, it’s hard to believe, but we actually need to start to wrap this up and I don’t have any more questions, but I do want to just ask you if, if there’s anything that the divine is whispering in your ear that says this, this must be sad or share this …
Keira:
I think for me, just the message of, you are known. You are known by the Divine. You are known. You are loved, You are held and, sometimes all we have to do is turn around and look up.
Mona Rose:
So beautiful. I’m actually looking up right now. Oh my goodness. What wants to come out for me right now is an invitation, to really get to know ourselves, to really get to be in touch with who we actually are without the belief systems. Because that may be the beginning of how you get to the Divine.
Joni:
Mmm, Absolutely. Yes. That has certainly been my experience that those kind of whispers from the heart and the soul are like the breadcrumbs bringing us there. Yes. So I want to thank both of you for your generosity and your honesty and also your willingness to say yes to your call. Cause it wasn’t an easy call necessarily. It wasn’t the organize the bake sale call. It was a much bigger call.
Keira: Yes, yes it was.
Joni:
Yeah. So I’m doing my, I’m doing the deep bow to each of you. And I, I want to remind our listeners that it’s, Navigating Truth podcast. And I want to thank you, our dear listener, for being with us and taking the time to be here and to listen and to be a part of this creation today. And I want to remind you as always, to trust what your heart knows.